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The Throne of Allah on water and the Satan

Shameless Sam Shamoun in his unabated spree of lies now abuses even the common sense.

Narrations about Allah’s Throne being on water:

He first quotes the following Hadith narrations about the Throne of Allah being on water;

Narrated Imran bin Husain:

I went to the Prophet and tied my she-camel at the gate. The people of Bani Tamim came to the Prophet who said "O Bani Tamim! Accept the good tidings." They said twice, 'You have given us the good tidings, now give us something" Then some Yemenites came to him and he said, "Accept the good tidings, O people of Yemen, for Bani Tamim refused them." They said, "We accept it, O Allah's Apostle! We have come to ask you about this matter (i.e. the start of creations)." He said, "First of all, there was nothing but Allah, and (then He created His Throne). His throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the Heaven) and created the Heavens and the Earth." (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 2953)

And:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Allah said, 'Spend (O man), and I shall spend on you." He also said, "Allah's Hand is full, and (its fullness) is not affected by the continuous spending night and day." He also said, "Do you see what He has spent since He created the Heavens and the Earth? Nevertheless, what is in His Hand is not decreased, and His Throne was over the water; and in His Hand there is the balance (of justice) whereby He raises and lowers (people)." (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 4316)

Narrations about Satan (Iblis) setting his throne on water:

He then quotes the reports that say the Satan (Iblis) sets his throne on waters of the ocean.

Jabir reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The throne of Iblis is upon the ocean and he sends detachments (to different parts) in order to put people to trial and the most important figure in his eyes is one who is most notorious in sowing the seed of dissension. (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 5031)

And:

Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Iblis places his throne upon water; he then sends detachments (for creating dissension); the nearer to him in tank are those who are most notorious in creating dissension. One of them comes and says: I did so and so. And he says: You have done nothing. Then one amongst them comes and says: I did not spare so and so until I sowed the seed of discord between a husband and a wife. The Satan goes near him and says: You have done well. A'mash said: He then embraces him. (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 5032)

Sam’s “conclusions”:

Alluding to these reports Sam then puts his indented falsehood in the form of “rhetorical” questions. He says;

With the foregoing in view does this mean that Satan is a co-occupant of Allah’s throne, that he and Allah share the same throne? In fact, can a Muslim cite a supposed authentic text stating that there are other individuals besides Allah and Satan that have a throne situated upon the water?

Or should we interpret this to mean that Satan expelled Allah from his throne upon the water and now has control over creation?

Worse still, should we actually see this as further proof that the Allah of Islam is actually the Devil masquerading as god? It seems so, especially when we take into consideration that the Quran boasts that Allah is the best deceiver/schemer/trickster/conniver/cheat of them all and that he perverts/misguides/corrupts people in the same way that Satan does (*; *; *).

The Truth:

Shameless Sam’s mental faculty leads him to believe that if there is a mention of throne on water with two different persons than they must either be sharing it, or one of them must have expelled the other and occupied it. Or, he believes, the two reports might actually be references to the same person and hence his pack of garbage, shown above.

To cut the things short the fact simply is that Satan (Iblis) tries to imitate Allah and thus establishes his throne on waters of the ocean. Infact a Hadith narrations clearly says this;

Narrated Abu Rayhana, the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, said: “Verily Satan puts his throne on ocean and sets veils around himself. This way he imitates Allah, the Almighty. He then sends detachments …” (Ibn Asaakir’s Tarikh Damishq 23/201)

Without citing this direct narration both Sharafuddin al-Husain bin Muhammad al-Taybi (d. 743 A.H.) and Mullah Ali Qari (d. 1014 A.H.), in their respective commentaries to Mishkat al-Masabih, have explained the report of Satan setting his throne on water likewise. That is, Satan actually does this to imitate Allah and thus deceive certain people who tend to dwell into supernatural domains. A perfect example is that of Ibn Sayyad as clear from the narration that Sam himself quotes;

Abu Sa'id reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) met him (Ibn Sayyad) and so did Abu Bakr and 'Umar on some of the roads of Medina. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do you bear testimony to the fact that I am the Messenger of Allah? Thereupon he said: Do you bear testimony to the fact that I am the messenger of Allah? Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I affirm my faith in Allah and in His Angels and in His Books, and what do you see? He said: I see the throne over water. Whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: You see the throne of Iblis upon the water, and what else do you see? He said: I see two truthfuls and a liar or two liars and one truthful. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Leave him He has been confounded. (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 5208)

So Ibn Sayyad and the likes of him fall in that trap of Satan!

About deceit and misguidance:

Regarding what he mentions about Allah being a “deceiver/schemer etc.” and that He “perverts/misguides etc.” please see the following links.

Conclusion:

In his hatred for Islam Sam loses common sense and fails to consider the most plausible scenario while it is known that the issue deals with Satan (Iblis), Sam’s big brother.

His way of argumentation is like saying that Jesus used to eat food, Judas too ate food so they are either same or equal, or infact actually different names of the same person. Sam, common sense begs you for mercy!

Indeed Allah knows the best!

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6 comments :

    1. Masha-Allah waqar

      @ Sam (sick anti Muslim)

      Quran uses word 'Arsh' (throne) for the Arsh (throne ) of Queen saba and Sulaiman AS in
      027:026,027:038,027:041,027:042,38:34. it does not mean they are Allah.

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    2. whether they( Solomon and saba) had placed their thrones over water like we see hotels over water.

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    3. MashaAllah, may Allah guide us more in the right direction, nice reply, a bit harsh from a Da'ee point of view though, but anyways he asked for it :)

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    4. Amazing Mashallah, some people, i aint calling names (Sam :P) just lose it sometime, thats called jealousy and envy and the Jinn/Shaytaan inside of him is going crazy, he doesnt want to accept Islam, the truth of Allah(swt) but rather believes in something, thats worldwide accepted as corrupt and changed, The Bible.... May Allah(swt) guide him and all of the unknowing Christians.

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    5. JazakaAllahu khair akhi! Sam Shamoun the filthy idiot doesn't bother about the bible calling both satan and jesus as 'morning star' yet he tries to dishonor Allah with foul ideas from his bald head!

      May Allah bless you for this!

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